"... and when reporters attend they're accompanied by a PR trained elder to make sure the press is pointed in the right direction..."
You mean like the minders that accompany tourists and foreign journalists in North Korea?
Island Man
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Check out this photo from the article: The Jehovah's Witnesses' Annual Convention Was So Organized It Was Creepy
by 4thgen inhello all, the link below is to the article: the jehovah's witnesses' annual convention was so organized it was creepy.
check out the size of the jw.org sign.
unbelievable.
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Island Man
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According to JWs' application of Acts 15:29, shouldn't they also be refusing medical examinations by gynecologists?
by Island Man inwatchtower uses the following twisted logic to equate receiving a blood transfusion, with feeding on blood:.
feeding is sometimes done by injecting nutrients intravenously.. blood transfusions are carried out by injecting blood intravenously.. therefore the intravenous injecting of blood can be equated with feeding intravenously.. hence, true christians refuse blood transfusions in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from blood".. now notice how the same kind of twisted logic leads to the equating of an invasive examination by a gynecologist, with sexual intercourse:.
sexual intercourse is often done by inserting the penis into the vagina.. certain invasive examinations by a gynecologist is done by inserting an instrument into the vagina.. therefore such invasive gynecological examinations can be equated with sexual intercourse.. hence, true christians refuse such gynecological examinations that are performed by someone to whom they're not married, in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from fornication".. it's the same kind of twisted reasoning, isn't it?
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Island Man
By the way the scenario can also be applied to men by comparing a digital prostate examination with homosexual intercourse, i.e. sodomy.
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According to JWs' application of Acts 15:29, shouldn't they also be refusing medical examinations by gynecologists?
by Island Man inwatchtower uses the following twisted logic to equate receiving a blood transfusion, with feeding on blood:.
feeding is sometimes done by injecting nutrients intravenously.. blood transfusions are carried out by injecting blood intravenously.. therefore the intravenous injecting of blood can be equated with feeding intravenously.. hence, true christians refuse blood transfusions in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from blood".. now notice how the same kind of twisted logic leads to the equating of an invasive examination by a gynecologist, with sexual intercourse:.
sexual intercourse is often done by inserting the penis into the vagina.. certain invasive examinations by a gynecologist is done by inserting an instrument into the vagina.. therefore such invasive gynecological examinations can be equated with sexual intercourse.. hence, true christians refuse such gynecological examinations that are performed by someone to whom they're not married, in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from fornication".. it's the same kind of twisted reasoning, isn't it?
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Island Man
Watchtower uses the following twisted logic to equate receiving a blood transfusion, with feeding on blood:
Feeding is sometimes done by injecting nutrients intravenously.
Blood transfusions are carried out by injecting blood intravenously.
Therefore the intravenous injecting of blood can be equated with feeding intravenously.
Hence, true christians refuse blood transfusions in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from blood".Now notice how the same kind of twisted logic leads to the equating of an invasive examination by a gynecologist, with sexual intercourse:
Sexual intercourse is often done by inserting the penis into the vagina.
Certain invasive examinations by a gynecologist is done by inserting an instrument into the vagina.
Therefore such invasive gynecological examinations can be equated with sexual intercourse.
Hence, true christians refuse such gynecological examinations that are performed by someone to whom they're not married, in order to obey the biblical command to "abstain from fornication".It's the same kind of twisted reasoning, isn't it?
Could this be a good illustration to help JWs wake up?
Maybe, without bringing up the blood issue, you can just use their own twisted logic to make the point that they should refuse invasive examinations by gynecologists. Then let the JW reason it out and explain to you why you can't equate such an examination with sex. Then once they've reasoned it out, use their own reasoned out explanation against them by applying it to show that injecting nutrients is similarly not equivalent to injecting transfused blood.
What's the difference between sex and the gyn exam? Purpose and intent. The purpose and intent for which the penis is inserted during sex, are completely different to the purpose and intent for which the instrument is inserted for the examination. The same applies to injecting food nutrients vs injecting a blood transfusion.
What do you think?
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Are You Ready to Face a Faith-Challenging Preaching Situation? Too Funny
by Watchtower-Free inposted to the facebook meme group.
apostate & ex-jehovalarious meme collection.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/jwmeme/.
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Island Man
It would be really nice if householders had those and when the JWs come to their door, they can just take it out and show them. LOL
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READ THIS and you'll finally know . . .
by Terry inif you have never read this, please sit down, brew a cup o' tea and relax with your laptop.. you'll be at it for an hour.
it just gets better and better as you go along.. you could call this, "everything you always wanted to know about the character of c.t.
russell".. http://archive.org/stream/somefactsandmorefactsaboutcharlestazerussell/1913_some_facts_more_facts_about_russell__djvu.txt.
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[marked for later]
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What Could Hacker Do To The JW.Org Site?
by frankiespeakin ini really don't know anything about what hackers do.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hacker_(computer_security).
in the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network.
hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge or enjoyment.
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Island Man
I have this fantasy of a group like Anonymous hacking jw.org and covering it with TTATT and a graphic that says "mene mene tekel parsin"
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Scriptures that now seem to apply to JWs
by Magnum inin the last year or so, many bible passages that i used to strongly and confidently apply to non-jws, began to seem to apply to jws.
this change in my thinking was shocking and disturbing.
i can best describe the feeling by comparing it to the feeling i got in 1981 when i watched the movie dead and buried starring james farentino.. in that movie there are murders committed in a small town by dead people reanimated by a doctor doing experiments.
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Island Man
ablebodiedman, the NWT's rendering of Matthew 24:39 is misleading. The Greek does not say that the people of Noah's day "took no note". It simply says that they "did not know". Check most other translations.
When you examine the context you will notice that the more accurate rendeing "they did not know" makes more sense. In verse 36 Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour of the end, then he expands on this thought by drawing a parallel with the people of Noah's day who likewise "did not know" when the destruction would come until the flood finally came.
The whole theme of Matthew 24:36-42 is the fact that people will not know when the end will come and hence the need to keep on the watch. The point Jesus was making by pointing to Noah's day is that the people in Noah's day kept on doing normal activities - eating, drinking, marrying, etc - right up until the the last day because they did not know how imminent the flood was. He was not lamenting the fact that they "took no note" as the NWT misleadingly implies. Rather, he was illustrating the suddeness and unexpectedness of the flood - the people's lack of knowledge that a cataclysm was imminent.
After speaking about the people in Noah's day not knowing as evidenced by their going about normal activities, he then further compares them with the people living at the time of his coming. He goes on to show, in verses 40 and 41 that similar day to day activities will be engaged in when he returns - working in the field, grinding at the mill. People would be completely oblivious to the timing of the end as evidenced by the fact that they will be doing these normal everyday activities when it comes like a thief in the night.
That he was not lamenting a the point about "taking no note" can be seen in the fact that even his own followers will be engaged in the day to day activities of working in the field and grinding at the mill when the end comes - these are the ones who are taken along (gathered to christ). Then verse 42 returns to the main them of keeping on the watch because of not knowing. It starts in verse 36 with no one knowing and it ends in verse 42 with keep on the watch because you do not know. All the verses in between illustrate the point of not knowing. "Taking no note" does not fit the context. Take a careful, objective reading of Matthew 24:36-42 in another translation or using the literal in the KIT and you'll see what I mean.
The rendering "they took no note" is an inaccurate rendering influenced by the traditional belief (not stated in scripture) that Noah preached to the people warning them about an impending flood, but they all failed to take heed of his warning. This idea is not found anywhere in scripture, but is a mere conjecture. Although the bible says that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" (note it does not say a preacher of judgement or of an impending flood) it does not say that he preached a warning message about a flood. It is more likely that Noah, seeing the great violence around him, took the initiative and preached righteousness to the people before he was comissioned to build the ark. Once he was commissioned to build the ark, there was little point in devoting time preaching to the people to warn them of a flood because by then God had already judged the world and was only taking measures to save Noah and his family and representatives of all animal species.
I know I've strayed a bit from the topic of the OP but I think it's important to make the point that the NWT's rendering of Matthew 24:39 is misleading. But to get back to the theme of the OP, here's a verse from Proverbs that I found very interesting when applied to the JWs "faithful and discreet slave" (the operative word is "slave"):
(Proverbs 30:21-23) . . .Under three things the earth has been agitated, and under four it is not able to endure: 22 under a slave [the faithful and discreet slave] when he rules as king, and someone senseless when he has his sufficiency of food [J. F. Ratherfraud]; 23 under a hated woman when she is taken possession of as a wife, and a maidservant when she dispossesses her mistress ["Mother" a.k.a "the slave" dispossessing her heavenly mistress (Jehovah's heavenly wife-like organization) by supplanting the role of holy spirit, by micro-managing the preaching work, among other things].
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JWs: not creationists but believe in creation...
by TheStumbler ini've been having a bit of an email exchange with elder dad and i need some advice.
i thought i was getting through to him but i think my criticism and tone became a bit too strident in my last email and now he thinks that i am attacking him personally.
i think he has dismissed everything i said because he perceived me as 'overally critical, and rude.. .
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Island Man
The Stumbler, JWs at their core, are not pure lovers of truth - maybe they were when they were first introduced to the religion, but they morph into something else with time. JWs at their core, are first and foremost, loyal followers of the organization. They value loyalty to the organization above actual truth. You wanna know why that is?
Because they have been mentally and emotionally ensnared with the concept that their organization is "Jehovah's Organization" and their body of leaders is "the Faithful and Discreet Slave". They believe they must be loyal to "Jehovah's Organization" and accept whatever "the Faithful and Discreet Slave" teaches in order to have Jehovah's favor and survive Armageddon.
With their minds infected with this propaganda, truth becomes a secondary issue. "The Truth" is not so much about what is true as much as it is about loyal association with the Watchtower organization. So any time you point out any error in the organization's teachings, you are perceived as attempting to erode their loyalty to the organization. It doesn't matter if what you're saying is true and the Watchtower is wrong.
To a JW it doesn't matter if the Watchtower is wrong about anything or lied about anything because "they're just imperfect men" and "the light gets brighter" and it's still The Truth because Jehovah chose them in 1919! They have been fed cliche excuses for being in error, but they are conditioned to believe that they must not under any circumstances be disloyal to the organization - and to them, simply acknowledging that a current teaching is wrong, amounts to disloyalty.
Because disloyalty to the organization equals disloyalty to Jehovah which equals no paradise earth for them. So it all boils back down to fear of losing out. It is this fear that motivates them to be loyal to the organization at all costs - even at the expense of turning a blind eye to the real truth. Loyalty to Watchtower "truth" is more important than loyalty to actual truth because they think it is loyalty to Watchtower that will get them into paradise.
JWs are really followers of a group of men - the governing body - who hide their profane authoritarian leadership over them under the cloak of "Jehovah's Organization". It goes down more palatably to say "obey Jehovah's Organization to have Jehovah's favor", rather than to say: "obey Samuel Herd, Anthony Morris III, Guy Pierce, etc to have Jehovah's favor". The latter statement sounds cult-like, but ultimately it's the naked ugly truth being covered over by the former statement.
JWs obey the ever changing teachings of these men as doctrines. The teachings of these men is the ultimate focus of the beliefs of JWs - not the bible. They only make secondary use of the bible to proof-text these men's beliefs, according to how the men teach them to twist the scriptures to support them. So the bible is really not their ultimate authority or their ultimate focus of attention. Watchtower literature is. What JWs call a "Bible study" is really a study of Watchtower literature and Watchtower teachings.
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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?
by Bart Belteshassur ini haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.
in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.
once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.
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Island Man
I'm afraid that you cannot disprove 607 BCE to an indoctrinated JW. Any evidence you present - no matter how compelling - will simply be rejected by him as being either a lie or in error. Indoctrinated JWs value loyalty to the organization more than they value evidence. As far as indoctrinated JWs go, any evidence that contradicts 607 BCE must be in error - it just has to be, end of story!
Evidence means nothing to a closed-minded and unreasonable man who has another agenda which he values more than actual truth. Evidence will only work if/when the individual is able to think with an open and objective mind, free of the shackles of fear and misguided loyalty that have been placed on it by Watchtower propaganda.
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